I'm not sure those of us not immediately agreeing with the Harukahaters(TM) are sympathetic with Haruka so much as willing to give her the benefit of doubt until she actually does something more untoward than changing her facial expression or making pointed comments in the direction of Risako.
We are also a bit suspicious of the editing. She, for instance, did not not interrupt Kenny and Kaori's discussion about drawing to get Kenny's attention though the edit makes it appear to be the case. Another redditor pointed out, and you can check for yourself, that the table is covered with food dishes as Kenny and Kaori talk, but the dishes have been completely cleared when Haruka asks for a guitar lesson.
The entrance interview has been translated and is available here: https://amara.org/en/videos/7xgN9qcx3Xdq/info/xin-zhu-ren-intabiyu2-ao-shan-chun-hua-bian-si-ren-nobi-shi-gaiinatosi-utaipude/ . The two relevant points in the video are at 1: 12 and 3:15. Here are the translations by MrsChap:
- [INSECURITIES ABOUT LIVING TOGETHER] I wonder ... but something I worry about is that me and someone else might be into the same person. That'd be super awkward. Maybe I'd give up on him ... If those two get along really well, I might give up on him like "Here you go." But if they are not particularly close and it's the same with me, I might really go for it. That's what I'm insecure about.
- I used to notice other things people have, so I used to get interested in other people's boyfriends. I've also gone out a few times with people who did not tell me they had a girlfriend. I wasn't very lucky. Maybe it's best not to talk about it.
I'd guess based on those disclosures that she's saying that she's been an unwitting mistress, or she's at least claiming to have not known about being the other woman. Even if that was the case, I'm not sure that it's a personality trait that she's particularly proud of, nor a role that she is consciously and actively drawn to or wants. It's definitely something she talks about in the past tense.
I don't see many people defending Haruka here at all. We're just not immediately agreeing that she is a horrible man-stealer based on what she has said and done to this point. Is the probability high that she will do something obnoxious, perhaps, as early as the first scene of the next episode? Eh, maybe? I suspect that if she really tore into Risako to Kenny or made herself out to be the victim of mean ol' Risako and then trying to snuggle up to Kenny for comfort, that the editors would not have cut there. It's far more likely that the full scene will be ambiguous and unsatisfying ... and then she might well do something obnoxious after that. But until she does, some of us are reserving judgment, not boarding the hate train, and observing that no one has scrutinized and policed the behavior of any of the men on this show throughout its over 200 episode history to the same extent that people do to the women.
People get to like who they like even if their interest is sparked by the attention the potential bf/gf is getting from others, and who they like can change from one week to the next when people are dating. I can understand and sympathize with Risako's frustration here, but people can be open and direct about their feelings or can be reserved and uncomfortable with sharing those feelings particularly with potential rivals or lovers. Neither way is better or worse really. A lot of people like to rip the band-aid off quickly, and more power to them. Others hope that the band-aid will fall off when we are no longer paying attention.
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Yes, there has been an absolute overwhelming wave of up to maybe 6 people on this sub who have implied that he may not be the best bro whoever bro-ed perhaps because of the vast diversity of subject matter found in his art or the motivation he may have had for giving some coffee to Risako to give to her mother for Mother's Day (idk either , I did not understand the allegation at all, but the fact that it was made upset one guy.) It's very important to get ahead of such antimasculinist hate-crimes before they start so that we can devote more time to fully detailing why each of the women who have failed to smile in at least one scene on the show are the worst human beings who have ever been on any reality show ever.
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I didn't know you were a fan of the show, Mr. President! Welcome! You're absolutely right. Clearly East Entertainment never uses idiomatic English and double entendre in the titles for Terrace House, and all titles for the show can have only one meaning and can only be read literally. Like
BxGND
- Ep. 6 "Puppy Love" where the house gets a puppy who falls in love with Seina.
- Ep. 9 "Playtime is Over" when the show stopped having recess segments where the housemates played tag.
- Ep. 19 "No Sweet Valentine" where the girls forget to use any sweetners at all when making Valentine treats for the guys.
- Ep. 34 "Sugar & Spice" where the show made a brief foray into being a cupcake contest cooking show.
- Ep. 43 "Twisted Fate" where Dyki has problems opening the ties on a bag of bread and everyone cries about it.
- Ep. 48 "Going Up in Flames" where, sadly, Yo-san died of immolation after smoking in bed.
- Ep. 54 "Singing a Different Melody" where Rina and Yo-san's ghost tried to sing the title song but Maimai broke into the moment to sing an entirely different melody.
- Ep. 67 "Change of Vibes" where the ghost of Yo-san bought a new vibraphone to replace his old one.
- Ep. 75 "Spring Storm" where the first house was destroyed in a spring storm.
- Ep. 83 "And Yet It Moves" where the housemates put on a play about Galileo's final days.
- Ep. 90 "Love Square" where the house gets a square who falls in love with Seina.
B&GITC
- Ep. 5 "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" where the show briefly tried to revive the recess segment but Makato stayed in the laundry room eating Kit Kats.
- Ep. 20 "Scissorhands" where the housemates put on a version of the film.
- Ep. 26 "Love is in the Air" where the air in the house falls in love with Seina.
- Ep. 43 "Kiss and Tell" where Hayato kissed Riko and told everyone about it immediately.
AS
- Ep. 2 "The 18-Year-Old Madonna" where a young Madonna Ciccone fell through a time portal and took shelter in the house for a few weeks learning to vogue from Yusuke.
And, no doubt, some others after the episode we were talking about.
Please, Mr. President, don't bomb any countries because of my fake news.
(The astonishing thing is that they were using these idiomatic English expressions on the onscreen title cards back before they dreamed of having an international audience.
Did whoever comes up with the titles not know the more recent English meaning of "catfish"? Possibly. The other titles containing food are "An Omelette, a Banana and a Skirt", "Case of Poke Bowl", "Case of the Meat", "No Use Crying Over Meat", "Hamburg x Hamburg", and "Only the Apple Was Watching". All the food items mentioned in these titles do get eaten, but I am doubtful that that fact was only reason they were mentioned in the titles.)
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Unlikely given her social media since the show does not show her dating at all AFAIK, but she may just be intensely private about it. The two more likely queer but not out at the time of their being on the show are Makoto who was at least gay-for-pay for an AV scene and who dated a trans woman entertainer IVAN, and Mila who started an LBTQ clothing brand during 2018 Pride.
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It's an interesting question, and oddly one that has not come up that frequently on this sub. I'd be tempted to run a bracket on it when we hit 64 women having been in the house, but we're only at 45 to date. (There have been some guys with style, but the most stylish guy was probably Hikaru whose style is much more on point in his Instagram than it ever was on the show.)
I put forward a few and then give the answer that many will not like.
The things I remember immediately tend to be the swimwear - Mizuki's bikini with her friends at the beach, Chikako's black one piece, Lauren's for the fashion show (which should not count, obvs). (Odd that neither of the swimwear designers, Avian and Michiko, made an impression on me for what they wore, both going a bit beach bohemian though I think Michiko does bring a bit of flare to that aesthetic).
But Tsubasa's excellent on-trend, consistent athleisure looks is up there. Plus, it's still too early, but Kaori might well be up there with a couple of memorable looks already (the half-sheer skirt when out with Haruka certainly for one).
But my real answer is, of course, Seina. She wore a miniskirt as a weapon at the peak of her arc on BxGND and looked utterly and devastatingly elegant doing so. What more could one want from a personal style? She's also really consistent while still bringing a good variety to the the table. She, of course, has appeared in over twice as many episodes (87 + the movie) as the next longest staying female housemate Miwako (at 33), and so has had more chances to shine. Nevertheless, the peaks in her style still put her at the top for me.
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Still not remotely close to what the hated women on this show receive. The panel is a bit worse than we've seen for anyone prior (male or female), but we aren't seeing people in this sub going to every mention of him to say he's an asshole or the equivalent as they do for Cheri and Lauren and have done for Yui and earlier season Haruka.
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Yes, exactly. Dyki never had a cyst and "fought" at the fake fight for the belt because kick-boxing is all fake and does not even exist in Japan or Australia or anywhere else in the world, and they used a medical set and and an actor for "that scene". I'm glad there are others who see through the illusion. Come sheeple! Wake up!
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A) You failed to reply to the person you are ranting about.
B) My doctorate tells me that the rigors of specialization required to achieve a Ph.D. does, unfortunately, result in people in academia who are markedly unacquainted with normal social mores and issues of relevance to modern society. And so I will spell it out for you using small non-academic words.
There is bias in most human societies against both people on the autism spectrum and people with developmental disabilities. Asserting the someone on a reality TV is either or both or has non-neurotypical behavior in general on a public forum sustains if not promotes that bias. It is not merely a matter of opinion in even from someone purportedly equipped with the appropriate credentials to make the assessment. In short, doing so is gross and obnoxious, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with your being called out for it.
We are here for opinions, yes, but that fact does not mean that this community cannot self-moderate or that there is no bounds on such opinions. Furthermore, it is stupid to think you can debate the mental status of anyone based on edited footage from any filmed media let alone a genre that earns its money through the (admittedly consensual) exploitation of individuals private lives. Such footage is inevitably limited and biased.
Thursday, October 17, 2019
Thursday, July 11, 2019
Never Posted Vol. 1: things I wanted to say but chose not to on r/terracehouse
TBF, I'm not sure that City Pop has ever been known for having deep lyrics. It, like Disco in the US, was always more a celebration of materialism and economic good times or in the current scene nostalgia for the economic good times of the 80s in Japan.
But I can't say that Shohei 1.0 is any more formulaic than AKB48 when Rie was in it or Hiroomi's Sandaime J Soulbrothers. And that way can seemingly lead to commercial success in the music biz.
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Hyperbole is perfectly fine. But the issue is that you're using mental diagnostical terminology that isn't matching her behavior. She might well be a narcissist (as are many who appear on reality TV shows) or she may have no empathy for others which is a symptom of sociopathy.
Is she likely to hurt someone emotionally with intention on this show? I would not be surprised. But I do think that the priming of the panel, and her RBF is leading many people around here to over-read her expressions and actions when she's been pretty forthright and normal. Is she competitive? Absolutely: she clearly does not like to lose in golf and drag racing and almost certainly that approach applies to her relationships. Would she willingly shove aside anyone who gets in the way of a guy she wants. Probably without a thought. Is she a psychopath if she does so? No.
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Eh, there is a small minority of people here who hate being called on their bile, and will down vote any suggestion that it's not okay to spew their hatred of particular housemates in any way they want. You irked the dozen or so anti-SJWs on the sub by calling out both misogyny and discriminatory language around mental health. They are not representative of the community as a whole, and, generally, their ineffectual whimpering gets drowned out in more popular threads. Unfortunately, they will never think twice about the language they use, but they might feel uncomfortable enough to stop pissing in the corners to mark their ever shrinking territory.
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Exactly how many of these anti-men hate-campaigners have gone to every thread mentioning Kenny to assert that they knew from the beginning that he is, say, sleazy, and that his Instagram is proof of that. Yes, there have been like one reasoned discussions of the subject matter of his artwork, and one person up thread had some criticisms of, what, his motivation for giving Risako some coffee to give to her mother for Mother's Day? He seems perfectly fine to me too.
People disagreeing with your or my opinion on individuals does not a hate-campaigner make. It's the behavior of reacting to mentions of an individual across multiple threads by posting how horrible they are that makes a hate campaigner. The anti-Haruka hate has been pretty light this week, but in the past few weeks we have had individual redditors repeatedly saying that she's a bad person and that she's going to shove aside anyone who gets in her way, just you watch.
Look, it is perfectly okay to judge people on a reality show. It's perfectly okay to express that dislike here. However, when that ire leads a person to bring up that individual even in unrelated threads (one guy raked Haruka in a thread entirely about Kaori after having done so in the other threads that week), then they are a hate-campaigner. When that behavior only focuses on women then they are an anti-women hate-campaigner. We have not, in general, seen nearly the same obsessive policing for ANY of the men on the show in any season to date. And we have certainly not seen it for Kenny yet. It could happen, but has not.
I am specifically and INTENTIONALLY being a contemptible junior mod when I use this language. There is no rule for this sub against denigrating only the women on this show or doing so at every mention of particular individual women. I do not think that there SHOULD be such a rule. However, that behavior is toxic and sexist, and I will call it out.
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>she literally said that that was literally her intention.
Metaphorically, maybe, but literally not all. She said in her entrance interview that she has had a history of liking what other people have. Another interpretation of that scene is that it's a behavior that she acknowledges and that she wants to change. I don't think that there is any evidence that it's a behavior that she's proud of and plans to pursue on the show every chance she gets. In fact, she has said several times that she wants to learn to get along better with people her own age. Why are people consistently ignoring the evidence on the other side?
It's clear that both girls were interested Ruka initially, and both are interested in Kenny at this point in the show. It's seems likely that this is, indeed, a continuation of Haruka's admitted prior patterns. It's the ascribing of some sort Machiavellian intentions to her that I object to. Haruka gets to feel how she feels and so does Risako. It's only on their subsequent actions that they should be judged.
It may well turn out to be the case that in this very next scene two weeks from now that Haruka will do everything she can to shit-talk Risako to Kenny, and try to get him to drop her. Even if that is the case you should not crow (and not just because it's unseemly). First of all, he can't drop something he never held. Second, to this point she has DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. She has POSSIBLY betrayed some negative emotions on camera. She has asked out a guy she likes ON A DATING SHOW when she knew someone else liked that guy as well. The horror! It's not like she's climbed in bed with him (which HAS happened before on Terrace House, BTWs, maybe three times - Interestingly, the first two times no one judged the women for doing so since there was no rival. We judged the guy for letting it go that far when he had no romantic feelings for the women or, indeed, any human emotions at all from what we could tell.).
All is fair until a pair agree to go steady. Again, people get to like who they like. If Haruka ONLY likes what other women like, that will be problem for her for as long as she does so. It's kind of a pattern that carries its own punishment anyway. Yes, she may successfully become a mistress sometimes and feel that doing so affirms her beauty and charisma ("There is nothing that you can have that I can't steal"), but she's never going to find a person that way who will match what SHE really wants and needs.
But that may not be the type of person she is. People can be wrong in their self-assessments. And people can have feelings and choose to not act upon them for the sake of others' feelings. And, more rarely, people can change. She could surprise us in the next scene and say that she does not want to go out with Kenny at all while Risako is interested in him. It seems unlikely to me too, but, again, this entire situation is almost certainly a tempest in a teapot because Kenny is probably not interested in either of the two.
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Kaori is "rather aggressive"? For helping Huraka which she was not entirely comfortable with? Egads, what do you expect from women? Women must always wait to be asked out? Should they men also be consulting with the women's fathers before asking them out, and have the show post their dowry amounts as part of their title cards?
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>Shion’s so judgmental here! Tsk.
I know! He's almost as judgmental as literally almost everyone on this sub (yourself excluded obviously). How dare he! That's our job.
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The issues with the idiots who crow about being right about the Yui's and Cheri's of the show is that it's all confirmation bias and sexist bullshit. They are the same type of people who dismissed Seina as being a pushover at the beginning of BxGND for drunk kissing Makun and accepting his ghosting of her after he left for California. It turns out Seina is many things, but a pushover is not one of them.
It's also incredibly reductive and essentiallist. People are not their worst moments nor their best. Yui acted hypocritically on the show (she just doesn't seem to be all that bright, to be honest), and Cheri consistently solely acted out of self-interest with very little empathy for others. OTOH, Yui also did a lot of domestic chores without being asked or expecting accolades for doing so. I would not want to share a house with Cheri, but she a neither diagnosable sociopath nor deserving of the amount of hate she receives around here. Her behavior even as bad as it was is well within the range of normal human behavior and not all that far from the way Kenken treated Ryoko or Taishi treated Anna or Oji treated Aya or Tap treated Mizuki or Makoto treated Yuriko or Wez treated Anna or Noah treated Shohei or ... And yet these idiots never feel the same urge to castigate the guys but instead relentlessly police only the women's behavior.
But we should forgive them as well. Clearly, they have about the same level of intelligence as Yui and Yuudai. They're too overly sensitive and willing to leap at any evidence that support their prejudices and ignore any evidence to the contrary to take their opinions seriously.
But I can't say that Shohei 1.0 is any more formulaic than AKB48 when Rie was in it or Hiroomi's Sandaime J Soulbrothers. And that way can seemingly lead to commercial success in the music biz.
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Hyperbole is perfectly fine. But the issue is that you're using mental diagnostical terminology that isn't matching her behavior. She might well be a narcissist (as are many who appear on reality TV shows) or she may have no empathy for others which is a symptom of sociopathy.
Is she likely to hurt someone emotionally with intention on this show? I would not be surprised. But I do think that the priming of the panel, and her RBF is leading many people around here to over-read her expressions and actions when she's been pretty forthright and normal. Is she competitive? Absolutely: she clearly does not like to lose in golf and drag racing and almost certainly that approach applies to her relationships. Would she willingly shove aside anyone who gets in the way of a guy she wants. Probably without a thought. Is she a psychopath if she does so? No.
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Eh, there is a small minority of people here who hate being called on their bile, and will down vote any suggestion that it's not okay to spew their hatred of particular housemates in any way they want. You irked the dozen or so anti-SJWs on the sub by calling out both misogyny and discriminatory language around mental health. They are not representative of the community as a whole, and, generally, their ineffectual whimpering gets drowned out in more popular threads. Unfortunately, they will never think twice about the language they use, but they might feel uncomfortable enough to stop pissing in the corners to mark their ever shrinking territory.
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Exactly how many of these anti-men hate-campaigners have gone to every thread mentioning Kenny to assert that they knew from the beginning that he is, say, sleazy, and that his Instagram is proof of that. Yes, there have been like one reasoned discussions of the subject matter of his artwork, and one person up thread had some criticisms of, what, his motivation for giving Risako some coffee to give to her mother for Mother's Day? He seems perfectly fine to me too.
People disagreeing with your or my opinion on individuals does not a hate-campaigner make. It's the behavior of reacting to mentions of an individual across multiple threads by posting how horrible they are that makes a hate campaigner. The anti-Haruka hate has been pretty light this week, but in the past few weeks we have had individual redditors repeatedly saying that she's a bad person and that she's going to shove aside anyone who gets in her way, just you watch.
Look, it is perfectly okay to judge people on a reality show. It's perfectly okay to express that dislike here. However, when that ire leads a person to bring up that individual even in unrelated threads (one guy raked Haruka in a thread entirely about Kaori after having done so in the other threads that week), then they are a hate-campaigner. When that behavior only focuses on women then they are an anti-women hate-campaigner. We have not, in general, seen nearly the same obsessive policing for ANY of the men on the show in any season to date. And we have certainly not seen it for Kenny yet. It could happen, but has not.
I am specifically and INTENTIONALLY being a contemptible junior mod when I use this language. There is no rule for this sub against denigrating only the women on this show or doing so at every mention of particular individual women. I do not think that there SHOULD be such a rule. However, that behavior is toxic and sexist, and I will call it out.
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>she literally said that that was literally her intention.
Metaphorically, maybe, but literally not all. She said in her entrance interview that she has had a history of liking what other people have. Another interpretation of that scene is that it's a behavior that she acknowledges and that she wants to change. I don't think that there is any evidence that it's a behavior that she's proud of and plans to pursue on the show every chance she gets. In fact, she has said several times that she wants to learn to get along better with people her own age. Why are people consistently ignoring the evidence on the other side?
It's clear that both girls were interested Ruka initially, and both are interested in Kenny at this point in the show. It's seems likely that this is, indeed, a continuation of Haruka's admitted prior patterns. It's the ascribing of some sort Machiavellian intentions to her that I object to. Haruka gets to feel how she feels and so does Risako. It's only on their subsequent actions that they should be judged.
It may well turn out to be the case that in this very next scene two weeks from now that Haruka will do everything she can to shit-talk Risako to Kenny, and try to get him to drop her. Even if that is the case you should not crow (and not just because it's unseemly). First of all, he can't drop something he never held. Second, to this point she has DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. She has POSSIBLY betrayed some negative emotions on camera. She has asked out a guy she likes ON A DATING SHOW when she knew someone else liked that guy as well. The horror! It's not like she's climbed in bed with him (which HAS happened before on Terrace House, BTWs, maybe three times - Interestingly, the first two times no one judged the women for doing so since there was no rival. We judged the guy for letting it go that far when he had no romantic feelings for the women or, indeed, any human emotions at all from what we could tell.).
All is fair until a pair agree to go steady. Again, people get to like who they like. If Haruka ONLY likes what other women like, that will be problem for her for as long as she does so. It's kind of a pattern that carries its own punishment anyway. Yes, she may successfully become a mistress sometimes and feel that doing so affirms her beauty and charisma ("There is nothing that you can have that I can't steal"), but she's never going to find a person that way who will match what SHE really wants and needs.
But that may not be the type of person she is. People can be wrong in their self-assessments. And people can have feelings and choose to not act upon them for the sake of others' feelings. And, more rarely, people can change. She could surprise us in the next scene and say that she does not want to go out with Kenny at all while Risako is interested in him. It seems unlikely to me too, but, again, this entire situation is almost certainly a tempest in a teapot because Kenny is probably not interested in either of the two.
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Kaori is "rather aggressive"? For helping Huraka which she was not entirely comfortable with? Egads, what do you expect from women? Women must always wait to be asked out? Should they men also be consulting with the women's fathers before asking them out, and have the show post their dowry amounts as part of their title cards?
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>Shion’s so judgmental here! Tsk.
I know! He's almost as judgmental as literally almost everyone on this sub (yourself excluded obviously). How dare he! That's our job.
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The issues with the idiots who crow about being right about the Yui's and Cheri's of the show is that it's all confirmation bias and sexist bullshit. They are the same type of people who dismissed Seina as being a pushover at the beginning of BxGND for drunk kissing Makun and accepting his ghosting of her after he left for California. It turns out Seina is many things, but a pushover is not one of them.
It's also incredibly reductive and essentiallist. People are not their worst moments nor their best. Yui acted hypocritically on the show (she just doesn't seem to be all that bright, to be honest), and Cheri consistently solely acted out of self-interest with very little empathy for others. OTOH, Yui also did a lot of domestic chores without being asked or expecting accolades for doing so. I would not want to share a house with Cheri, but she a neither diagnosable sociopath nor deserving of the amount of hate she receives around here. Her behavior even as bad as it was is well within the range of normal human behavior and not all that far from the way Kenken treated Ryoko or Taishi treated Anna or Oji treated Aya or Tap treated Mizuki or Makoto treated Yuriko or Wez treated Anna or Noah treated Shohei or ... And yet these idiots never feel the same urge to castigate the guys but instead relentlessly police only the women's behavior.
But we should forgive them as well. Clearly, they have about the same level of intelligence as Yui and Yuudai. They're too overly sensitive and willing to leap at any evidence that support their prejudices and ignore any evidence to the contrary to take their opinions seriously.
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